How does abuse report really work in Guild Wars? - Guild Wars Forums

anekqi · Jul 03, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Hi all,

About week ago I got scammed - old standard scam 100g instead of 100k...+e
I posted abuse report on PlayNC with screen and explanation - got standard blablabla thank you answer few minutes after my report.
Looks great - but it's not...
What a surprise it was to see this guy active on GW 2 days after my post...
Yesterday by a coincidence I saw him and his Guild Lead in one of the outposts...
So I pm'ed his Guild Lead and told him what guy from his guild done together with screen as proof. GL reaction was "you where stupid not my fault".
Now I get the feeling I'm the only person around to care and not like scammers in the game... GW writes nice but empty answers, GL don't care and doesen't mind his guildies scam other ppl.

So is there anyone in GW that cares about players scamming other players or this is something standard for Guild Wars and accepted by most?
I'm playing for over 2 years and scams took place all the time but I thought - ehh I'm naive - that actions are taken...

Cheers,
Anna

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 03, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

They don't ban for scamming.

Stockholm · Jul 03, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I'm sorry for your loss, but A-Net don't consider it a scam when you lose out in a trade like that, their point of view is that you should check the amount and items befor you hit the accept button.

jadedragoon · Jul 03, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

I understand your feelings. I too have been scammed before, however anet does not do much regarding trade scams

Lykan · Jul 03, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by anekqi

"you where stupid not my fault".

If anet were allowed to talk to you like this, its exactly what they would say.

Pay more attention when trading.

wesman · Jul 03, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

yea its nasty... almost got scammed myself trying to sell a charr kit, same idea tried to give 5g rather than 5000g. Oh well, guess we just have to be carefull. We could try and compile a list of the scammers I guess... if that would do anything

pumpkin pie · Jul 03, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

I like to know what guild

sorry for your lost ...

it would be great to have a place where you can post proof of scamming activities

Reason I say the above: because anonimity makes the worse of people. If somehow their evil deeds are announced, I think it would deter players from wanting to try to trick another player less.

upier · Jul 03, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

They don't ban for scamming.

And they obviously don't ban for leeching either.
/waves at Dwight

Gift3d · Jul 03, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Smart people don't get scammed. I, in my 8 years of playing online games, have never been scammed once. Stop whining over 100 gold, you're lucky your lack if good judgement didn't cost you more.

pumpkin pie · Jul 03, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

100k+ectos, gifted

my version, evil people don't get scammed mostly. and naive and people with no bad intentions get scammed usually.

GaaaaaH · Jul 03, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

99900gold you mean

bel unbreakable · Jul 03, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

there is a way name and shame

GWEXTREEMFAN · Jul 03, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

look the answer is simple....

check the offer twice or even three times

a net cannot help you if it's your own mistake

i mean like 100g and 100k is a big difference and easy to notice

so really it's your bad not his oder a nets

no scam just pure bad luck or stupidity sorry to say but it's more the second than the first

good luck in future

and check offers twice

or don't trade

sometimes you have to learn the hard way

peace

fusa · Jul 03, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Don't listen to the above poster's, they're probably scammers themselves. A-net DOES ban people for trade scams, even if the scammer wasn't successful and even over trades of just 1k.

Send a explanation of what happened to http://help.plaync.com/cgi-bin/playn...nduser/ask.php include your characters name and the scammers character's name, time and time zone, and outpost and district.

If you don't believe me, read the what their staff has to say about it: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...porting_people

romeus petrus · Jul 03, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by anekqi

How does abuse report really work in Guild Wars?

It doesn't especially when it comes to scams.

anekqi · Jul 03, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Hi,

Fusa I did post a report to them - ppl is on line live and laughing..

Well i'm not crying about 100k.. this was not the point.
I know to double check the trade and I am aware that this was also my fault, but on the other hand I myself would never do such a thing and if someone from my guild would done it well we would have long "conversation".
This is what irritates me the most ppl that feel anonymous and think they are smart and untouchable...
I'm crying about ppl scamming at general not lost of gold.
Like pumpkin pie wrote... "anonymity makes the worse of people"
GW doesn't ban, there is no place where we could post screens and names so circle is close and ppl scam all they want...

cheers,
anna

Songbringer · Jul 03, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

They have made it so easy to tell exactly how much gold is there and when the trade gets changed. Not paying attention is your own fault I'm sorry. If you can't manage to take 2 minutes to check then really it is your own fualt.

fusa · Jul 03, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Then they haven't finished conducting the investigation against the scammers, or you didn't give enough information about the scam. I had one person try to switch 1k for 1g when I was selling a scar eater. I reported him, and he was banned for 2 weeks. Also saw someone else scamming in Kamaden over the weekend, and couple of days later I got the following response:

Stockholm · Jul 03, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusa

Then they haven't finished conducting the investigation against the scammers, or you didn't give enough information about the scam. I had one person try to switch 1k for 1g when I was selling a scar eater. I reported him, and he was banned for 2 weeks. Also saw someone else scamming in Kamaden over the weekend, and couple of days later I got the following response:

Well ,well seams like they have changed their policy regarding both scams and giving feedback regarding action taken (Gail allways stated that NO FEEDBACK would be given citing privacy concerns).

BTW. you forgot to black out GM Sven's name at the top.

Kusandaa · Jul 03, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

They ban people for scamming for 999g but I have reported death threats (verbal abuse - I didn't take them seriously, but hey. I didn't even insult the guy during the hour I spent fighting with him, not ONCE x]) and they didn't ban the guy, even though he got reported by (apparently) over 20 people.

Note that I'm not QQing or anything, just seems amusing to me really x];;...

Report system works in mysterious ways. x]

EDIT: Although I did report a guy who was harassing 3 or 4 of my friends, he got banned 3 days. When he came back he PMed one of the guys saying that he'd report him for getting him banned... IIRC my friend reported him again for the lulz and he got re-banned.

Jul 03, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#1
anekqi Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2008	How does abuse report really work in Guild Wars? Hi all, About week ago I got scammed - old standard scam 100g instead of 100k...+e I posted abuse report on PlayNC with screen and explanation - got standard blablabla thank you answer few minutes after my report. Looks great - but it's not... What a surprise it was to see this guy active on GW 2 days after my post... Yesterday by a coincidence I saw him and his Guild Lead in one of the outposts... So I pm'ed his Guild Lead and told him what guy from his guild done together with screen as proof. GL reaction was "you where stupid not my fault". Now I get the feeling I'm the only person around to care and not like scammers in the game... GW writes nice but empty answers, GL don't care and doesen't mind his guildies scam other ppl. So is there anyone in GW that cares about players scamming other players or this is something standard for Guild Wars and accepted by most? I'm playing for over 2 years and scams took place all the time but I thought - ehh I'm naive - that actions are taken... Cheers, Anna

Jul 03, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58	#7
pumpkin pie Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: behind you Guild: bumble bee Profession: E/	I like to know what guild sorry for your lost ... it would be great to have a place where you can post proof of scamming activities Reason I say the above: because anonimity makes the worse of people. If somehow their evil deeds are announced, I think it would deter players from wanting to try to trick another player less. Last edited by pumpkin pie; Jul 03, 2008 at 05:07 PM // 17:07..

Jul 03, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08	#16
anekqi Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2008	Hi, Fusa I did post a report to them - ppl is on line live and laughing.. Well i'm not crying about 100k.. this was not the point. I know to double check the trade and I am aware that this was also my fault, but on the other hand I myself would never do such a thing and if someone from my guild would done it well we would have long "conversation". This is what irritates me the most ppl that feel anonymous and think they are smart and untouchable... I'm crying about ppl scamming at general not lost of gold. Like pumpkin pie wrote... "anonymity makes the worse of people" GW doesn't ban, there is no place where we could post screens and names so circle is close and ppl scam all they want... cheers, anna Last edited by anekqi; Jul 03, 2008 at 06:14 PM // 18:14..

Jul 03, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22	#18
fusa Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007	Then they haven't finished conducting the investigation against the scammers, or you didn't give enough information about the scam. I had one person try to switch 1k for 1g when I was selling a scar eater. I reported him, and he was banned for 2 weeks. Also saw someone else scamming in Kamaden over the weekend, and couple of days later I got the following response: Last edited by fusa; Jul 03, 2008 at 06:28 PM // 18:28..

Jul 03, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19	#20
Kusandaa Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/Mo	They ban people for scamming for 999g but I have reported death threats (verbal abuse - I didn't take them seriously, but hey. I didn't even insult the guy during the hour I spent fighting with him, not ONCE x]) and they didn't ban the guy, even though he got reported by (apparently) over 20 people. Note that I'm not QQing or anything, just seems amusing to me really x];;... Report system works in mysterious ways. x] EDIT: Although I did report a guy who was harassing 3 or 4 of my friends, he got banned 3 days. When he came back he PMed one of the guys saying that he'd report him for getting him banned... IIRC my friend reported him again for the lulz and he got re-banned. Last edited by Kusandaa; Jul 03, 2008 at 07:22 PM // 19:22..

Jul 03, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38	#2
Mr. Undisclosed I phail Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Phailville Profession: D/	They don't ban for scamming.

Jul 03, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43	#3
Stockholm Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Censored Guild: Censored Profession: R/	I'm sorry for your loss, but A-Net don't consider it a scam when you lose out in a trade like that, their point of view is that you should check the amount and items befor you hit the accept button.

Jul 03, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46	#4
jadedragoon Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Terribad Turtles [TaNK] Profession: W/Rt	I understand your feelings. I too have been scammed before, however anet does not do much regarding trade scams

Jul 03, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54	#6
wesman Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2008 Guild: Order Of the Pheonix Profession: Mo/	yea its nasty... almost got scammed myself trying to sell a charr kit, same idea tried to give 5g rather than 5000g. Oh well, guess we just have to be carefull. We could try and compile a list of the scammers I guess... if that would do anything

Jul 03, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07	#9
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	Smart people don't get scammed. I, in my 8 years of playing online games, have never been scammed once. Stop whining over 100 gold, you're lucky your lack if good judgement didn't cost you more.

Jul 03, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10	#10
pumpkin pie Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: behind you Guild: bumble bee Profession: E/	100k+ectos, gifted my version, evil people don't get scammed mostly. and naive and people with no bad intentions get scammed usually.

Jul 03, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#11
GaaaaaH Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Profession: W/	99900gold you mean

Jul 03, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17	#12
bel unbreakable Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: scotland Guild: shadow hunters of light Profession: W/Mo	there is a way name and shame

Jul 03, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44	#13
GWEXTREEMFAN Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in my house Guild: N/A Profession: W/E	look the answer is simple.... check the offer twice or even three times a net cannot help you if it's your own mistake i mean like 100g and 100k is a big difference and easy to notice so really it's your bad not his oder a nets no scam just pure bad luck or stupidity sorry to say but it's more the second than the first good luck in future and check offers twice or don't trade sometimes you have to learn the hard way peace

Jul 03, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07	#14
fusa Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007	Don't listen to the above poster's, they're probably scammers themselves. A-net DOES ban people for trade scams, even if the scammer wasn't successful and even over trades of just 1k. Send a explanation of what happened to http://help.plaync.com/cgi-bin/playn...nduser/ask.php include your characters name and the scammers character's name, time and time zone, and outpost and district. If you don't believe me, read the what their staff has to say about it: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...porting_people

Jul 03, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#17
Songbringer Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: EastCoast Profession: E/Me	They have made it so easy to tell exactly how much gold is there and when the trade gets changed. Not paying attention is your own fault I'm sorry. If you can't manage to take 2 minutes to check then really it is your own fualt.